And once again, they’re late to the party

August 2, 2017 no comments Posted in MLM

Sounds like every other online affiliate program out there, trying to get their “nose under the iTunes tent.” Until the AMO’s start putting *their* “Life Coaching” content to be distributed in this manner, setting up a paid subscription model, with “convenient auto-pay” feature, hitting your CC on a regular basis, and no charge backs after agreeing to a binding purchase “arbitration” agreement, whether you’re ever “entertained” or not.

I’d heard that Amway was starting up an online music business

July 5, 2017 no comments Posted in MLM

I’ve just come across their site. You have to hunt for the MLM angle, but I found it. Here’s an edited version. “We started FANISTA with the simple notion that, in a world of so much entertainment and so many sources of information about it, there had to be a better way for people to discover, share, and even buy entertainment ….And we added to that mix the even crazier idea that people should be rewarded, in real ways, for doing what it is we all love doing. We’re confident that once you spend a few minutes understanding what FANISTA offers, you’ll realize that it is a great way to take what you’re already doing in the offline world – telling the people you come in contact with on a daily basis what you love, and why – and moving that universal behavior online in a way that allows your voice to be amplified. Think of it as a way to rely on your most trusted friend as you walk down the aisle of your favorite entertainment store (real or virtual); better yet, become one of those trusted experts yourself! …. Once we do a wider release, you’ll be able to bring other people to the site. If they follow your lead and use it for at least some of their entertainment purchases, you might be able to rack up some commissions – which you can use to buy more stuff yourself, to get a check from us, or to donate money to a range of charities. It’s all part of our belief that, beyond the fact that there ought to be a better way to distribute entertainment and a bigger community to be built among us entertainment enthusiasts, there also ought to be a way to reward people for doing what we all seem to do so naturally: championing the entertainment we love the most, and telling people why.”

Sounds harmless, doesn’t it?

I don’t have answers to the specific questions you asked

June 24, 2017 no comments Posted in company fraud, MLM

but want to wish you well in law school. When I attended (more than 20 years ago!), many law students started out with high ideals about making the world a better place. Over the next 3 years, most of them were funneled into traditional legal careers, in part to pay their student loans, in part due to their competitiveness in wanting to get the plum jobs at the big law firms. I hope things have changed, and that you will be able to channel your anti-MLM fervor into a career fighting MLM abuses. It would be great to have more people in government agencies and law firms who understand how these things really work and want to do something about it.

While in school, keep in mind that there are many avenues open to lawyers other than the traditional law firm path. I spent several years teaching business law and consumer finance at the local community college, and used part of those classes to teach about legitimate businesses versus illegal pyramid schemes. Since opening my own practice a couple of years ago, I’ve put out newsletters, at least one of which focused on MLMs.

Best of luck to you in whatever path you choose!

I actually have had no experience with MLM’s

April 20, 2017 no comments Posted in MLM

I have, however, watched a close friend lose thousands of dollars to one of these organizations. This experience has made me hyperaware of the wreckage these organizations are causing.
I am very interested in getting involved in the fight against these organizations. Dr. Jon Taylor with CAI suggested I get involved with PSA but thus far my efforts to contact this organization have been fruitless. I’m posting to see if any of you know of MLM victim advocacy groups who are seeking volunteers and/or employees.
I currently reside in Richmond, VA and expect to be a full time law student this fall. Please let me know what I can do to help.

When you’re talking about how you feel

February 27, 2017 no comments Posted in MLM

remember this: YOU were used. This is what I consider the worst aspect of an MLM. At the time you genuinely thought you were doing the right thing to get people to join. You were, literally, brainwashed to do this.

Other people took you, got into your brain, messed with your mind, and convinced you they were right. They used you to recruit people into their organization. They turned you into someone who would act as you did.

I’m not going to get into just what you were and were not responsible for, but do remember that while you were doing these things you were under the influence of experts who knew how to twist your thinking and convince you to do what they wanted you to do, not what you normally would have thought you should do.

I can really empathize

February 11, 2017 no comments Posted in debt, marketing, MLM

When I started MLM, I had a lot of things I was involved in. Interesting how network marketing just eats up your life, your spare time, your friendships, and your relationships, isn’t it?

I withdrew for about 4 months after I quit ACN, and since then, I’ve only slowly been getting out and having a life again. Personally, I recruited about 10 – 12 people, and I’m not sure what to say to them.
I’ve tried to pay a few of them back…unfortunately, I’m not exactly rolling in the dough right now…which is also partly due to ACN.

Everyone can be misled. Network marketing/MLM companies prey upon the good intentions we have towards others, and our desires for ourselves.
What is important is learning from this, picking ourselves up, and moving forward.

I, personally, really have to thank my church and pastor for helping me through all that went on after I quit. Finding something like that may be a good idea.

I don’t post here very often, but I saw your post and had to reply

January 27, 2017 no comments Posted in MLM

I’m not sure what MLM you were in, but I think it’s safe to say that your feelings are perfectly valid.

The trick is to accept what you feel and understand why it happened. I hope I don’t sound trite, my heart goes out to you right now. Understand one thing, it’s not necessarily your fault.

I am a MLM junkie

December 26, 2016 no comments Posted in MLM

There I said it. It is out in the open. Now beat me up if you wish. Amway 3 times. Failed 3 times. Melalueca Failed. A long line of online affiliate programs failed, failed and failed again. But yet I still keep dreaming the dream. Hoping beyond hope.
Please is there a magic pill I can take to end this insanity. The numbers are against me. My friends do not answer my calls. People run from me when I walk down the street. Help I have fallen and can not get up. And yes I am in yet another MLM Oh my! What an idiot. Is this thing an incurable disease or what.

Here’s a point:

October 17, 2016 no comments Posted in MLM, money

You’re complaining that people said you were generalizing, then you generalize and say all MLM victims have a healthy self-esteem.
– Unsecured personal installment loans for bad credit.
Yes you will keep getting roasted if you keep generalizing, especially about many of the people who are in this forum. Does it occur to you that you’re essentially coming into a forum and saying, “You’re messed up, or you were. Here’s why and I know all about you and what’s in your mind and none of you do” ?

Yes, there are junkies and MLM addicts, but that does not make all victims fall in that category. One thing I learned while working in treatment is that you can’t make such generalizations. I worked with a lot of teens who had been on drugs. I can’t say, “All the druggies I worked with had low self esteem so they took drugs.” I can’t say, “They all did it out of peer pressure.” I can’t say, “They all did it because they were bored and there was nothing else for a teen on a backwater military base to do.”

People are complex and do things for many reasons. Just as teens do drugs for different reasons, people do MLMs for different reasons. From what I’ve seen, only a few do it because of low self esteem.

I still have to question that….

October 15, 2016 no comments Posted in MLM

sure there are some that have that low self esteem but face it we are all out for the almighty dollar, I know I was. For me the idea of having that “disposable” income would mean I could take care of my mom as she gets older and take her traveling around the world which is something she loves. I was a prime target, smart, young, single, no kids and they swooped in. That first meeting I’ll never forget it you know you have to get there early to “get a good seat” only later to learn that’s part of their “plan”. When they spun those dreams of gold, spending more time with family etc. Then they come around asking what would you do if you had this much money for some folks they dream of fancy cars and for the younger folks like me we all wanted to take care of our parents. That question right there is what plants that seed for the MLM and makes you think….just “what if” this really works. Then you say “Well, I’ll try it I don’t have
anything to lose”. The more I think about it the more I realize how smart they really are.

In these days it’s tough out there in corporate America and it’s especially tough for those “targets” which are usually people in college or those that have just graduated or young couples. I really feel many of the younger folks 20’s, 30’s do it because of the promise of that American Dream that is dangled before you. I don’t think it always has something to with a low self esteem in the beginning. Maybe after a while your self esteem has taken a beating within the mlm then yes I can see it becoming a problem. This is something I can see more so when you have stayed in and failed you keep trying harder and harder with no change in results. Of course that would affect your self esteem if you kept feeling like a failure. They will even tell you this. “Just keep showing the plan” “Don’t be a loser” etc.

I will say I never fully “sold out to the business” because I have too many “distractions”. And I’ve always been very private and a very independant woman. They don’t like those characteristics too much. There are some things I won’t give up regardless of what’s at stake. No matter how strong you are going in they will break you down or at least try. They will try to consume your life every waking minute with that MLM….hence the whole 9 steps (which I don’t remember) but i know they say Listen, Read, Associate etc..they lead you on as if you are their friends and only wanting the best for you. Essentially you begin to look at the organization through rose colored glasses. I fully believe we are most affected by our peers, they influence our decisions to some extent. If these people in a MLM are all you associate…..I think we all know where that leads, especially if you are around the “fake it til you make it” group.

Steve if you have never been involved you may never understand why your first comments were met with such hostility. What I’m trying to say is I really don’t think a low/damaged self esteem is what causes a lot of people to get involved. I do feel it is a direct result or affect of the badgering you get while involved.

On another note I just found a whole case load of cds I got from them and never listened to….what should I do with them? Could they help anyone’s research? I briefly thought about Ebay but I really don’t want to contribute to anyone’s brainwashing.

I searched for quite a while before finding this site

September 3, 2016 no comments Posted in MLM, money

When I googled Quixtar Scams I was amazed to find that there are 87 pages of web sites. Most of the sites I went to had MLMs defending thier business, bashing “negative” people, trying to pursuade other MLMs of better ways to bild their down lines, or to sell their brand of power drinks and energy bars, etc. I kept looking for a support group because I figured there has to be others that are having a hard time dealing with loved ones involved in these kind of schemes.

My son has been involved in Quixtar for over three years. Other an working, most of his time spent recruiting and with his upline. Friends, going out and other interests are a thing of the past. To me, this isn’t normal for a young man in his early 20s.

I don’t understand how Quixtar people call themselves Indepentent Business Owners. I don’t know of any other business that councils people on every aspect of their personal lives–relationships, financial, religion, or any decision process. I once asked my son ‘what credentcials do they have to council you on anything?’ And recently when he had the opportunity for advancement at the company he works for I told him ‘you don’t need to talk to your upline, you’re capeable of making the decision on your own.’

Truthfully, from the things my son has told me and from the things I have read (books and online) all I can see are RED FLAGS! I do see Quixtar as being a cult and I believe these people are being brainwashed. I have a great deal of anxiety about this.

Thank you for providing this site. It is helpful to at least know that I’m not alone.